Michlaude Discipleship Project

Pulling the Threads: Full Preterism

Notes (2 of 2)

36. 2 Corinthians 5:17; Romans 8:19-22, describing the whole creation "groaning" and "eagerly waiting" for "the revelation [apokalypsis] of the sons of God" — a separate lexical vocabulary of disclosure from mystērion, addressed independently in Seam Ten rather than treated as the same word or the same argument.

37. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr. has argued directly, in reply to the full-preterist ("hyper-preterist") objection that Luke 17 undermines the Matthew 24:34-36 seam, that Luke 17:20-37 and Matthew 24 record two distinct discourses delivered on two distinct occasions — Luke 17 spoken earlier, en route to Jerusalem (cf. Luke 17:11, 18:31), Matthew 24 spoken later, on the Mount of Olives after departing the temple (Matthew 24:3, following 23:37-24:2). Gentry states plainly that the question is "not really a crucial matter" for the broader partial-preterist case even if left unresolved, since Matthew's own internal seam doesn't depend on Luke's arrangement to stand — a more modest claim than this essay's own use of the argument should be read to make.

38. Revelation 1:1 ("the revelation of Jesus Christ… to show his servants what must soon take place"); 1:3 ("the time is near"); 22:6 ("what must soon take place"); 22:10 ("for the time is near").

39. Don K. Preston, The Hymenaean Heresy: Reverse the Charges!, argues at length that Hymenaeus and Philetus's error was a more radical, over-realized eschatology removing all future moral accountability, distinct from full preterism's own claim that a real covenantal transition occurred at AD 70 without eliminating ongoing sanctification or final accountability.

40. Edward E. Stevens, President of the International Preterist Association, articulates this argument across three articles in Fulfilled! Magazine: "First Generation AFTER the End" (Fall 2024), "How the Rapture Happened Without Being Noticed" (Winter 2025), and "How Did Church Restart?" (Jan. 29, 2025). Status note: subsequent correspondence with Stevens on related redating questions closed 9/1/26 without a direct answer to the harder form of the missing-footprint question below; this section states his published argument at full strength rather than treating that disengagement as a concession he didn't make.

41. Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church; Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church; Hans Conzelmann, History of Primitive Christianity — all quoted by Stevens in the articles cited at note 40 as independent, non-preterist attestation of the AD 70-110 gap in the early church record.

42. Max King, The Cross and the Parousia of Christ, p. 751; Don K. Preston, private correspondence with Stevens, reviewed and approved by Preston before publication in Stevens's We Shall Meet Him in the Air, pp. 286-87.

43. Josephus, The Jewish War, Book 6, Chapter 5, Section 3 — the full cluster of omens preceding the temple's destruction, of which "let us remove hence" is the final entry.

44. Ezekiel 10:18-19, 11:22-23 — the vision of God's own glory departing the Jerusalem temple, moving to the mountain east of the city, before the Babylonian destruction.

45. Charles E. Hill (Reformed Theological Seminary), cited by Stevens in the articles at note 40, arguing that an event of this significance could not plausibly vanish from a decentralized, undercensored early church record.

46. Put to Edward E. Stevens directly, following up the witness-testimony proposal at note 40 with the explicit question of whether he had ever heard a first-person witness to the parousia itself. His full reply is on record in correspondence, 8/30/26.

47. Revelation 10:7: "but in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets" — mystērion used for something whose fulfillment is explicitly still future relative to the speaker, evidence against reading the word as guaranteeing a completed, past-tense event by itself.

48. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, "Mystery" entry; W.E. Vine, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, entry on "Mystery." Both sources state the hidden-then-disclosed pattern as settled lexical fact, independent of and predating any argument regarding full preterism specifically; neither source discusses Baker's material or the broader movement at all.

49. Edward E. Stevens, Foreword to James Stuart Russell, The Parousia (Bradford, PA: International Preterist Association, new edition), p. xii, as quoted and catalogued in "Displaying the Lack of Consensus in Full Preterism," Preterist Archives.

50. Edward E. Stevens, "That Day and Hour?", as quoted and catalogued in the same source as note 49.

51. "Displaying the Lack of Consensus in Full Preterism," Preterist Archives (preteristarchives.org), a compiled catalogue of full-preterist source material across roughly forty separate points of unresolved internal doctrine, sourced to the movement's own named leaders in their own published words. The site is maintained by critics of the movement; every quotation used from it here has been checked against its stated attribution and represents the cited author's own words, not the site's characterization of them.

52. Baker, Statement of Faith, Article III, point 22 — cited in full at Seam Five above.

53. William Bell, "The Illusion of Conclusion," as quoted and catalogued in the same source as note 49.

54. Max R. King, The Spirit of Prophecy, p. 219 ("the release or deliverance of the saints from Israel... was the opening of the graves"); William Bell, "Spatiology or Eschatology?" (on Philippians 4:5, "complete the resurrection already in progress"). Both quoted and catalogued in the source at note 51.

55. Kurt M. Simmons, "The Attack on Full Preterism: Which Death Was Defeated in AD70?", quoted and catalogued in the source at note 51; the Frost quotation within it ("There is no law taking into account our sins") is Simmons's own citation of Sam Frost, not independently verified against Frost's original beyond this secondary source.

56. Don K. Preston, "The Binding of Satan"; Ed Stevens, "Stevens Responds to Gentry"; David Curtis, "Israel of God"; Jessie Mills, Revelation Survey, p. 256 — all cited at AD 70 for Satan's power ending. Dan Harden, quoted without a specific source title in the same archive, arguing the cross alone accounts for it. All quoted and catalogued in the source at note 51.

57. William Bell, "This Present Evil Age"; "New Earth Christian Studies," "God's Promises Fulfilled"; Don K. Preston, "The Passing of the Elements" — all quoted and catalogued in the source at note 51.

58. 2 Corinthians 5:2-4, Paul's own description of the intermediate, pre-resurrection state as "unclothed," genuinely incomplete and undesired as a permanent condition, contrasted with being "further clothed" at the resurrection itself.

59. Seam Eleven's population estimate is a rough order-of-magnitude figure based on generally cited historical demographic estimates for global Christian populations from the first century to the present, not a precise or independently verified count; the argument's force rests on the scale being very large and the span being very long, not on the specific figure.

60. Luke 24:39-43; John 20:27; Philippians 3:21; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:23; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Matthew 27:52-53 (see also notes 12-14); Job 19:25-26; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2.

61. 1 Corinthians 15:23-26.

62. Revelation 21:1-4.

63. Seam Seven above, scorecard row 1: "Death is spiritual, not physical (the foundational move) | Unchallenged."

64. 2 Timothy 1:10.

65. Isaiah 25:8, quoted at 1 Corinthians 15:54: "He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces."

66. 1 Corinthians 15:35.